On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 4:54 PM Carlos O'Donell <carlos(a)systemhalted.org>
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 4:34 PM Jason Merrill
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 3:04 PM Carlos O'Donell <carlos(a)systemhalted.org>
>> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 5:20 AM Ricardo Wurmus <rekado(a)elephly.net>
>> > Mark Galassi <mark(a)galassi.org> writes:
>> > > Does anyone have any opinions on whether we should proceed even
>> > > without feeling a deep inner drive for governance? Or should we
>> > > wait
>> > > for further elements to fall in place?
>> > As I see it, we have at least three open issues here:
>> > - who can vote?
>> > - how do we decide?
>> > - will we ever decide to let other packages join GNU?
>> > (The last one is particularly inflammatory, because it is a
>> > head-on disagreement with GNU leadership of the past decades, so I
>> > wouldn’t mind delaying this until the first two issues are
>> > solved.)
>> > With this third item in mind, who should be able to vote on issues
>> > affecting GNU? Should we attempt to avoid giving the cultures of
>> > large projects more weight due to their larger number of
>> > contributors?
>> Who can vote?
>> - If you endorse the social contract.
>> - If you abide by the code of conduct.
>> - If you have commit rights to a project included in the GNU Assembly.
>> - Then you get a vote.
>> How do we decide?
>> - Proposal for vote. Seconded. Waiting period. Vote (pick a scheme).
>> Will we ever decide to let other packages join GNU?
>> - Maybe some day. I don't think we should do that for now.
>> - We should decide to add packages to the GNU Assembly and pick a
>> process for that.
>> - I think the set of packages in the GNU Assembly are derived from
>> members joining.
> That all sounds right to me. Specifically the principle that projects
don't vote, people vote.
> What level of consensus do we want to require on an up/down vote? 2/3?
I suggest Debian's condorcet method of voting. In which we have
multiple positions, rank, and then run condorcet.
Likewise Debian has a social contract:
An outsider looking *in* might say:
What is the difference between being a Debian member and being a GNU
You might argue the GNU System was a proto-distro before it became
clear what things a distribution had to do to succeed.
What are the important differences between Debian and a proto-distro
Well, that's an interesting question. Could we achieve our goals more
easily under the umbrella of Debian/SPI than trying to build a whole new